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Post by - on Fri Dec 26 2014, 17:26

What is Good?

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Post by Outis on Fri Dec 26 2014, 19:52

Long, deep breath and...

"Good" is a human concept, a human abstraction which is both simple and ambiguous, implying a situation, circumstance, a process, which is beneficial to the mind expressing the sentiment...because good, like bad, is a sentimental concept contained within a time/space parameter, a perceptual-event-horizon, with projected object/objectives based more or less upon experiences or upon perceived phenomena, determining the probability of what has been projected.

...and relax...and inhale, and exhale and relax...
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Post by - on Sat Dec 27 2014, 02:56

I am Shining on, Crazy Diamond wrote:Long, deep breath and...

"First Principles..." [Harris, Hannibal]

Isn't it part of nobility or the objective of the noble to

1. To ask What is Good?

2. To make asking it again and again as part of What is Good?

Dionysian currents may have washed away what is good... time makes what was good once turn to poison now, and what was once poison, is profound now. Every washing of the wave churns up and deposits something older from its depths - i.e. newer on the shores.

Apollonian beds may remain unrenewed with what may be more good, or it may be sedimented over and soiled with so much dirt, the good may cease to shine.

The noble takes nothing for granted.

First principles are the ones to be closely watched, and where the noble must feel alive most.

Simple questions are what we/I care about most.


"Good" is a human concept, a human abstraction which is both simple and ambiguous, implying a situation, circumstance, a process, which is beneficial to the mind expressing the sentiment...because good, like bad, is a sentimental concept contained within a time/space parameter, a perceptual-event-horizon, with projected object/objectives based more or less upon experiences or upon perceived phenomena, determining the probability of what has been projected.

So Good! [pun intended...]

So from the above, we have a view of objectivity that shows,

"It is a measure of the degree of strength of will to what extent one can do without meaning in things, to what extent one can endure to live in a meaningless world because one organizes a small portion of it oneself.
The philosophical objective outlook can therefore  be a sign that will and strength are small. For strength organizes what is close and closest; "men of knowledge," who desire only to ascertain what is, are those who cannot fix anything as it ought to be.

Artists, an intermediary species: they at least fix an image of that which ought to be; they are productive, to the extent that they actually alter and transform; unlike men of knowledge, who leave everything as it is." [N.]

As a "man of knowledge", you have the above definition of What is Good.

As an "Artist", I ask you, What is Good?

The answer of an artist who speaks for all mankind, will be such that when he says, That is Good, he means, That is the Highest Good...

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Post by Outis on Mon Dec 29 2014, 08:17

All value judgements, including good/bad, are comparisons.
As is higher/lower.

In the case of "good" the comparison is between self and the idea(l), the projected object/objective and its promise.

As an artist, the higher good is the one that raises man above his nature without denying, forgetting, rejecting it.
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Post by - on Mon Dec 29 2014, 10:09

I'll put it this way.

According to Plato and Nietzsche, Eternity - that is maximum Being is the highest good.
As philosopher-artists, they authorize themselves to speak on behalf of all mankind. They esteem that what all Healthy beings Must desire is their eternity, their maximal being.

Of course Plato situtates good = beautiful = eternity  in the transcendental while N. stays "true to the earth", in saying
Good is whatever increases the feeling of power, and bad is whatever is born of weakness. The Highest good is therefore akin to a god-like state.

In that sense, if you could speak as an Artist-philosopher, what is Good?

Not a subjective opinion, but an objective take of what is good on behalf of all beings?
Would you say it differently from Plato and Nietzsche? Do you think there is or should be any higher conceivable good than eternity?

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Post by Outis on Mon Dec 29 2014, 15:54

How could I, a nobody, improve upon their definitions of "good".

I don't want to speak on behalf of humanity, because then I would be speaking on behalf of 90% of what I reject.
Does not God and VO increase the "feeling" of power?
If we are going to trace the roots of the feeling, or of the idea(l) then weakness is there.
It is the one lacking power that needs to feel powerful.

If we take Plato's position then it smells of Christianity.

As an artist, if I dare pretend to be one, I say "good" is another word for order/god/symmetry/unity, and is not transcendental but a measure of resistance to chaos...and so power is a measure of weakness.

Good as an idea(l) is a projection of what promises more resistance, which is the same as saying is long-lived, durable in entropy.
It is what endures.
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Post by - on Tue Dec 30 2014, 03:11

Satyr wrote:How could I, a nobody, improve upon their definitions of "good".

Your ancestors are venerated, not worshipped. Its why I am not a Traditionalist who simply walks in the footsteps of my ancestors, but I'm an Aryanist,, who makes good of their sacrifice to become perfect and precise instruments in the hands of their heirs, to become even more refined, to make them, my whole past, even more refined...

I don't want to speak on behalf of humanity, because then I would be speaking on behalf of 90% of what I reject.

There's a difference between speaking FOR humanity, for the demos and being the apologist of their welfare, and speaking on behalf of all mankind because you believe you have the highest vantage; the eagle's view and the perspective from the height that privilges you with what others cannot hope to attain at the heights you have.

From the height, everything looks like undifferentiated clay, and the hands of the Artist wants to plunge with delight into making shapes, forms, structures out of it.

If we are going to trace the roots of the feeling, or of the idea(l) then weakness is there.
It is the one lacking power that needs to feel powerful.

Exactly. And the most powerful man would be the child of Heraclitus... building and destroying and building and destroying, not For power, but From power, from joy of living.

Camus sees Sisyphus as an absurdity, that of existence.
But there's something beautiful when everytime you destroy and smother a seed, the same tree grows up. The near-indestructibility no matter how many times and whichever way you are put to death, you keep returning as the same, is the most tremendous feeling of being.. a joy.
Neither the world relents, nor you... because you are part of that world... and that intimacy is both sexy and torturous...

If we take Plato's position then it smells of Christianity.

Yes.
But I also think when you are surrounded by feverous thymotic energies and barbarians who see everything fleshily, who reduce experiences to sensuality,,, then Plato did what he had to do - tell them life is more than this. See the 'higher' truth. Create a realm where the hands of the filthy and the feverous cannot reach...put goodness at a place beyond the reach of animals.... faaaaaaar in the Beyond...  a place where things cannot be corrupted by pigs.
Its because Plato realized only the powerless mould the world instead of moulding men, he became an Artist - Philosopher as Legislator, to mould man.
What went wrong of course is that Plato and his temporary emergency measure was universalized.

Not sanitizing Plato, but putting him in perspective.

As an artist, if I dare pretend to be one, I say "good" is another word for order/god/symmetry/unity, and is not transcendental but a measure of resistance to chaos...and so power is a measure of weakness.

Good as an idea(l) is a projection of what promises more resistance, which is the same as saying is long-lived, durable in entropy.
It is what endures.

That's how an Artist would say it.

So acc. to you, the highest good is what prevails most.

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To continue this, lets ask, is proof of prevailing proof of truth - goodness?

Jews are the most enduring,,, and so are bacteria...

N. began to observe how its the lowlives with cunning that prevailed more than the foolish rare *because they were strong and needed no cunning. This was his critique of Darwin's "progressivism" - its not the strong who prevail, but the weak.

This does not change the fact that good is whatever enables whatever entity to prevail.

From the pov. of life, all that affirms life is healthy.

But when you begin to ask, how was life affirmed, and what is the difference between those who stay inside a cocoon of deceit to shut off entropy and those who prevail with their natural immune awakened by meeting the onslaught of entropy head-on,,, then you have a Nietzschean man-shaping standard for the highest good.

The highest good a man can aspire to is possession of maximum health.
And maximum health is that which doesn't just want to preserve itself like Spinoza's conatus, but that which wants to flourish. And every growth involves a death. Affirming life is also to affirm death.

What the Philosophers [as in artist-legislators] of the Future must aspire is to refine this standard further.

How can we differentiate further and further, how can we open a Gulf such that a standard of health automatically pronounces death to some types of beings...
What is gold to one, the strong, the noble,,, would be sulphur and suffocation to the other...

That gold is the Philosopher's Stone.

It *creates the weak by its very presence, by its very standard, by its very 'gleam' that Pushes away the worthless like a selecting, segregating force...
Radiation is a force.
In Sanskrit, a man possessing such a force, a majesty of being, who by his very bearing makes the others part way for him, to stand aside, step away from him, was called Tejas - meaning 'streamlined or pointed as a flame, a spear'.
His aura radiating was like unbearable arrows pushing others away or making them mind-full/mindful of their place, a *know thyself...
The Tejasvi - one who possessed Tej, the 'gleam' was therefore called a sage, a wise one...
'Light Spoke from him'.
In letting people *know their place, he established Dharma, Order in the universe...

Pointing out Scopes of what should be attained, setting Goals for your heirs, opening Directions for the future, even if one cannot accomplish it oneself, is still to be Heroic.
The Hero bequeaths tasks as his commands and sets the future to work even after he is gone.

Because what people are thirsty for, the vast mass, is a cause worthy to die for, to aspire to, to sacrifice to, to work and live for...
This primal thirst in the mass-man is ineradicable... their joy IS in giving themselves to others - be it a leader, a cause, a vision... because they are unable to set goals and meanings for themselves and look upto others.
The Noble Artist takes it upon himself as his duty and "Response-ability"/responsibility to,
1. to set a goal worthy for the herd
2. to set such a goal that for itself creates a worthy herd

If he doesn't do it,, someone else will.

And what hero in a man doesnt feel, doesnt agitate to the pulse, 'The world is mine'...
The self-joy is the self-joy of biology...

Freud, Sigmund wrote:
"Anatomy is destiny."

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Post by Outis on Tue Dec 30 2014, 05:21

Jews and bacteria find "goodness" in association.
The goodness of the individual, a mass of cells, is what endures as such.

The Jew must give-up this self to endure within a "higher" identity.
He seeks "health" in belonging, in his role.
When they walk in unison the others make way.
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Post by - on Sat Jan 10 2015, 13:57

What is a Potential in terms of your possibility and probability?

What is Virtual?

Does a potential 'exist' in a virtual 'space'?

Do memes and memories exist in virtual space or real space, if there is a difference?

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Post by Outis on Sat Jan 10 2015, 17:08

Potential is another way of saying probable.

Virtual is another way of saying simulation, artificial.

Potential exists in virtual space like love, sex, identity...

Memes exist in real space, since they have to deal with reality to continue, and construct virtual space as a continuance, addition or annulment of real space.
Nihilistic memes annul....life-affirming memes add, accentuate, extend real space using virtual contexts.
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Post by mannequin on Tue Jan 13 2015, 11:01

Yeah, kind of like how Facebook is an extension of friendship, taken from the playground/yard to a virtual realm in order to continue the connection beyond high school.

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Post by - on Tue Jan 13 2015, 20:02

Satyr wrote:Potential is another way of saying probable.

An untapped potential is a probability that is latent.
Does latency have being?

Virtual is another way of saying simulation, artificial.

We refer to what we store on the internet as virtual memories, but these are not necessarily simulations or artificial, although they are modelled on the real.

Potential exists in virtual space like love, sex, identity...

Is our mental space where memory dwells real space or virtual?

Is not genetic potential real existing in real space, rather than virtual?

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Post by Outis on Tue Jan 13 2015, 20:33

Giuli wrote:

An untapped potential is a probability that is latent.
Does latency have being?  
Latency is the determining past, nature, remaining untapped, or awaiting a trigger, in the present, to express it.  

Giuli wrote:We refer to what we store on the internet as virtual memories, but these are not necessarily simulations or artificial, although they are modelled on the real.
It refers to a simulation that may, or may not refer to something real, or natural/past...and so is artificial: a combination of abstractions with a degree of reference to a phenomenon.
Since we are existing, more and more, in a simulated reality, a hyper-reality as Baudrillard called it, or life imitating art imitating art this reference is increasingly possible no matter how absurd or nihilistic the abstraction.
The reference will be to a symbol that refer to other symbols which, down the line, is a noetic construct...

Giuli wrote:Is our mental space where memory dwells real space or virtual?
Memory is noetic, if that is what you mean by "virtual".
But noumenon are not all equal.
Degree of reference to phenomenon determines how disconnected from reality they are...how artificial they are...how purely noetic they are...or how virtual, simulated, they are.

Noumena require constant validation...since phenomena are fluctuating.
The moment they become static, or literal, they begin detaching from reality.  

Giuli wrote:Is not genetic potential real existing in real space, rather than virtual?
Yes, the encoding of memory either as neural-complexes or genetic algorithms, directing cellular growth, are real.
Genes are the encoding of generations, up to the moment of conception.

When these codes begin to disconnect from the immediate, the (inter)active is when they begin to detach from nature/past, as the present is a continuation of this past.
Artificial is man producing his own future by intervening upon natural/past processes, to a greater degree than the processes intervened upon.
Man as God is a artificial man....a cyborg, or a robot....pure mechanics (techniques/technologies).
The artificial man is a kind of Frankenstein...not part of any singular continuum, but an amalgamation of different pasts, combined into monstrous constructs.
Part this and part that...an artform, an artifice...detaching from this nature/past.
Not real, hyper-real, surreal man.
Schizoid...fragmented man.

Noetic man...
A fantastic caricature.
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Post by mannequin on Wed Jan 14 2015, 14:36

Is it enough to speed up the focus through the calming of the mind, hold on and use the fear of forgetfulness to prevent a slow drift into confusion, a helpless destruction where their deterioration is on display to everyone except them. Time goes by so fast, yet a grasp on accomplishment seems so distant, they know there is something... Is the fear and memory strong enough to preserve? Can intoxication be considered a maintenance of sorts? How ironic, that such a time has come.. A war like no other? A living death..To postpone life at the expense of energy, the body snatchers operate the environment, a clever dictation. A back door into the mind, a cunning invasion. The attachments of saints to the buildings of consumption allowing for the smooth transition. A constant exposure to artificial images giving birth to the mother of insecurity, an impossible fix. A beauty therapy, an exploitive solution, the offering of therapeutic assistance on how to look beautiful. The medical connotations of therapy attached to a superficial context allows for a smooth transaction, an unsuspecting one. The white overalls in the department of fragrance becomes a cute touch, no? An intentionally parked vehicle of authority provides a comfort to the foolish and an irritation to the pretenders. Yeah I see those posters in the subways too.

Where are your people?

A domain of exclusive authority, a more personalised play pen.
Are they really here?
Are they really paying attention?
Do they really agree?
Do they really like you?

A constant fight of ill will or a passive avoidance, a stage with no spot lights?

"Are you from another world? I've never seen someone who looks like you. Beautiful stranger, how do you do? Tell me, is there something I can do for you?"

and how amusing, that the Mannequin shows up. A truthful beauty in obsession? or would you rather the ugliness of ignorance.

So there's a high speed plane travelling at a very high altitude in the sky, all of a sudden one of the wing engines blow up, this sends the passengers into a screaming frenzy. A lady in the front row jumps out of her chair in a state of panic and screams.."Is there anybody here that can make me feel like a woman for the very last time!"..Then a man in the back row instantly jumps out of his chair and rips off his shirt..He passes the lady his shirt and says "iron this!"..

Oh, How weak are they?

...and it's sad that I feel like I have to play the part of Lucifer highlighting the weakness of the children of Adam.
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Post by mannequin on Tue Jan 27 2015, 18:43

The natural processing of motion in sensations moves too slow for their minds to derive a sense of satisfaction, the environmental and social circumstances brings about a realization of slowness entering into a contained struggle too strong or impossible to escape externally, by the will to overcome an ego is elivated internally in order to establish a sense of control through glory and admiration whilst remaining inside the social container, a type of playful insanity is sought to experience it all, the world, in a directionless process of events retaining a fickle movement without responsibility with an awareness of impact relative to attraction inside a confusion and discontment returning to a sadness and difficultly, only to momentarily be released through simple pleasure and acknowledgement of the effect on others in relation to manipulation but prolonged conscious manipulation is dismissed quickly before it threatens the simple moment that is needed to stay alive but it remains a remembered possiblity for now in time with the awarness of age destroying the impact that attraction brings which becomes a constant annoyance and worry, in order to try to evade the inevitable is to attempt to effect the other as much as possible to maintain a sense of stability within a fickle moment to moment lifestyle of hedonisttic fun and attention. such is the colourful insanity of a primadonna girl
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Post by mannequin on Sat Apr 11 2015, 12:53

I realized something today, which in some sense it probably should of been obvious, but some reason it just never occurred to me until now.

I first must accept the state that I am in and consciously know where that is, and then developing from there with the same approach of accepting my state and consciously remembering, this how to grow. A clear building, but the visibility must remain as clear as possible in order to strengthen the memory which in turn strengthens the visibility into an active development. Will there be enough memory to remember to see? will things fog up too quickly resetting me back into an ordinary standard, I'm wiping away the fog as I speak, only for it to fog up completely in a short while..One can only wonder where the fog is coming from?. but things must be clear, and remain as such! I'm declaring war now.
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Post by mannequin on Sat Apr 11 2015, 13:09

Is complete change truly possible in a transformation sense resulting in something different to what it already is? or is any form of change nothing more than an expansion of what already is, but the mannequin will always be a mannequin? What will become of a mannequin who is more of a mannequin through change? If my current position is bad, then will I not become evil through change? Do we have to change backwards into denial? Is it possible to bring forward what is hidden in the past to the point where mutations can be corrected? Then change will take an even more of a sincere path..
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